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Saturday, March 15, 2014

Politicians: Before And After Being Elected. What do you think?

Okay, once again, Facebook has served as a stimulus for controversial dialog and another frustrating failed attempt at "intelligent" exchange.

This time it was about people stereotyping politicians and lumping all politicians into one big basket of negativity. What I really found interesting in this Facebook exchange was that a woman by the name of Lucy Tisdale (Lucy Bland) [you can view her Facebook page in the preceding embedded link IF you have a Facebook account AND are logged in to it]  rips into me and belittles me for taking exception with the negative stereotyping of politicians while she proudly proclaims, "I'm in the legal field, and have been for several years, diligently serving my diverse community. ...  As a woman, I will continue to do great works for those who seek help ... I work for a non-profit organization, volunteer with the Toledo Bar Association to assist ex-offenders with criminal expungements, deliver meals to homebound and elderly, all about equality, and help families with at-risk juveniles...all different cases and people of different shades, genders, religions, marital status, and political views ... I'm too smart, and ... I don't rehearse or defend honesty."

If you have a Facebook account, or even if you do not have a Facebook account, you might actually be able to view, and maybe even comment on, that exchange, by clicking onto this embedded link. Regardless, if you do not have a Facebook account or in the event that the message thread gets removed or edited, I am also providing a copy and paste of the entire Facebook dialog (as it exists as of the writing of this blog entry) below for your amusement, entertainment, chagrin, or whatever you get out of it. Here it is:
Daryl Hansen shared Our Time's photo.
March 9, 2014 10:52 am EDT
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Daryl Hansen and 11 others like this (Gloria Lawrence, Daryl Hansen, Tom Gray, Lucy Tisdale, Lee Camp, Kathy Matthews-Walters, Doak Decker, Linda Sterling, Heidi Renfroe, Princess Kiya, Scott Manke, Kieran Doyle like this.)

Roland Louis Hansen
Having been a politician myself, I cannot help but think that spreading this type of thing is what makes it difficult for good, honest people to seek elective office. In spreading this meme and the message it postulates is the same as belittling me as an individual who has served a large portion of my adult life. When thoughtless and unappreciative people spread this sh**, I wonder why I ever served the community.
March 9, 2014 at 12:34pm EDT

Daryl Hansen
I Understand , I just feel Most are this way and not all ..I also know that there are steps people can take to change things But Don't Bother do for obvious reasons
March 9, 2014 at 12:38pm EDT · Edited · LikeReply

Roland Louis Hansen
And "most" Jews, and "most" gays, and "most" women, and "most" Hispanics, and "most" blue collar workers, and "most" gun owners, and "most" Democrats, and "most" Republicans, and "most" Muslims, and "most" whatever (fill in the blank) ---- This is how prejudice, discrimination, animosity, hatred, and violence is spread, advanced, and continues to exist.
It is far better to attempt at improving things, situations, causes, issues, and people; but, that is not as easy as just slamming and belittling others, issues, situations, etc.
I do not just talk the talk; I have walked the walk. I have been there.
Roland Hansen Background Information
Roland Hansen, B.A., M.P.A. Background Information EDUCATION 1965 Graduate Whitmer Senior High School 1969 Bachelor of Arts (Psychology) University of Toledo 1987 Master of Public Administration (G...
March 9, 2014 at 1:06pm EDT

Lucy Tisdale
A good, honest, and caring person wouldn't worry about a meme being passed around, but rather, keep doing good works, regardless. You don't have to rehearse or defend honesty.
Sunday, March 9, 2014 at 10:59pm EDT

Roland Louis Hansen
Hey, Lucy Tisdale: A good, honest, caring person would not stereotype others and speak ill of an entire classification of people based on politics, race, religion, sexual orientation, nationality, gender, marital status, income level, etc. You need to look in a mirror. Apparently you believe that persons who are labeled and discriminated against should remain silent and allow themselves and others to be bullied. You don't have to defend prejudice and discrimination, Lucy; it is indefensible.
Monday, March 10, 2014 at 10:31am EDT

Roland Louis Hansen
BTW, Lucy, I notice that you deleted your previous comment that was automatically sent to my e-mail before you removed it. You know -- the one in which you wrote "Oh, Whatever. If you one meme makes you look bad, then you're not right for the people in the first place. That"
Monday, March 10, 2014 at 10:56am EDT

Lucy Tisdale
Lol, I don't care what you received in your e-mail. I write, edit, and delete all the time, politician. In any sense, I'm in the legal field, and have been for several years, diligently serving my diverse community. Nonetheless, if someone like Daryl was to seek my help (which he has through messages), and which I also do voluntarily, I give it. Now, if I was running for mayor of Toledo, and saw this meme, would I get defensive? No, because I know that I helped Daryl, and many others that required my assistance. In other words, if this meme doesn't apply to you, why are you throwing a grown man's temper tantrum? As a woman, I will continue to do great works for those who seek help, have faith in me, and cannot be easily persuaded to go against me for a virtual meme...Again, difference of opinions. My passion lies with people, not with memes.
Monday, March 10, 2014 at 12:08pm

Lucy Tisdale
Oh, and by the way, I work for a non-profit organization, volunteer with the Toledo Bar Association to assist ex-offenders with criminal expungements, deliver meals to homebound and elderly, all about equality, and help families with at-risk juveniles...all different cases and people of different shades, genders, religions, marital status, and political, tell me again about myself...Reverse psychology never works on me. I'm too smart, and again, I don't rehearse or defend honesty. Good day, sweet pea. *hopefully all of it makes it to your e-mail*
Monday, March 10, 2014 at 12:18pm EDT

Roland Louis Hansen
Lucy Tisdale: It is nice that you work in the legal field. It is nice that you help my brother, Daryl, and other people, and that you do so voluntarily and with so many causes. It is nice that you self-disclosed your "credentials" along with more information about yourself.
What is not so nice is that you paint poiticians with one broad brushstroke and that you pre-judge others, including me, without knowing those persons and without gathering all the facts first.
While you tout your own professional, civic, community, and charitable background, it appears to me that you did not look at the link I had previously placed in this message thread that provided information on my background - OR, you chose to dispel the information I provided in that self-discloslosure as not germane.
You assert that if the meme does not apply to me that I am throwing a grown man's temper tantrum, basically because I take exception to its message. It would then be logical for me to infer you would feel the same way if I took exceptiontion to the same meme if it were about females before they were adults and after they became adults.
I like the following English translation quote of Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemöller:
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
BTW, Lucy Tisdale, unlike your proclamation of yourself, I do not feel I am too smart. Nor, as you seem to infer, do I "rehearse or defend honesty." Additionally, I do not call people little childish names as did you when you stated to me, "Good day, sweet pea."
Enjoy your day, Lucy Tisdale. And, keep on helping others; that is an admirable attribute.
Monday, March 10, 2014 at 12:45pm EDT

Lucy Tisdale
I'm off from school and work today, ain't nobody got time to read all of that...
Monday, March 10, 2014 at 12:47pm EDT
It is now 5 days after Lucy Tisdale made the last comment in that message thread. No further comments have been up through this point in time.

FYI, the following information is what I could read on the Facebook "About" page of Lucy Tisdale. (Side note: I find it interesting that she has listed my brother, Daryl, as her brother. Uh, EXCUSE ME, but I think I would know if she were the sister to MY BROTHER -- HE IS NOT HER BROTHER AND SHE IS NOT HIS SISTER!):

Work and Education
Case Management
Homelessness · Toledo, Ohio · 2014 to present

Tiffin University School of Criminal Justice & Social Sciences
Tiffin, Ohio · 2012 to present

Independent Paralegal
Advanced Legal Researcher · Toledo, Ohio · 2007 to present

Professional Skills
Legal research

Daryl Hansen
Kimmy Fields

About Lucy
"Whatever...stay mad."

Places Lived
Toledo, Ohio
Current City

Basic Information
Birthday January 3
Gender Female
Languages English

Life Events
2014 Started Working at Case Management
2012 Started Working at Tiffin University School of Criminal Justice & Social Sciences
2007 Started Working at Independent Paralegal
So, here we have it. A person who is an alleged champion of fighting social injustice, an avowed advocate of legal rights, a self-described advocate of the downtrodden such as Lucy Tisdale (Lucy Bland) slams an entire class of people as a whole, i.e. politicians who are the elected officials of our government.

Lucy Tisdale, who professes "A good, honest, and caring person wouldn't worry about a meme being passed around ... You don't have to rehearse or defend honesty" and accuses me of "throwing a grown man's temper tantrum" because I speak out against prejudice, against discrimination, and against the widespread malice of innuendo directed at our elected officials and those who give of themselves to be of public service, would have us all believe that politicians are all a bunch of evil gremlins and that those of us who take exception to that stereotype are being defensive, throw temper tantrums, and are not good, honest, and caring persons.

Yes, Lucy and so many others like her paint those of whom they dislike with one broad brushstroke while at the same time bemoaning others who may do likewise to a group of people for whom they advocate.

And what of this group that originally posted the afore-mentioned meme placing politicians in a negative light. You know -- the organization that calls itself Our Time. Well, it turns out that Our Time is itself a political organization. In fact, Our Time describes itself as follows, "A nationwide non-profit organization that leverages online organizing, new media, and popular culture to enhance the political voice of young Americans.  Each day, we break down news and need-to-know policy into quick memes, short videos, and key bullet points.  We also lead campaigns that register voters, remove ballot barriers, and fight for economic opportunity."

Here is an embedded link to the Facebook page of Our Time. And, over thisaway, you can read a bit more about Our Time.

So, here we have an organization (Our Time) that wants to influence politicians all the while it denounces and belittles those very same politicians. Hypocrisy?

Okay. Your turn.
Politicians: Before And After Being Elected. What do you think?

1 comment:

CWMartin said...

I would have to say, as I always have, that once you put yourself in the public realm, you are a target. Especially Pols should know how their "brethren" have made people feel about them. If you are going to be in the field, you have to have a thick skin. Now, I realize that everyone has a different skin thickness, and if such a thing offends you either personally or for the generality of it, I understand. (In fact, did you dee the story about Lorne Michaels saying that SNL stayed away from jokes on liberals because they got upset over jokes like that, where Republicans just laughed them off?) I learned the hard way that there are some people out there that cannot take the least bit of humor sent in their direction. Show I respect your feelings. But... Facebook WILL be facebook, and a person might just as well learn to laugh about things. Or ignore them, considering the source.

Note also, I've never been a pol, so it doesn't personally affect me- AKA "easy for me to say". However, since my son is as big a smart a$$ as I am, I've learned to live with sacred cows with scars.

The meme? I would say that it is about 70% correct, higher, the closer you get to Washington. For every principled person trying to do good, there's 3-4 with their hand in somebody's pocket.